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29 February 2008 @ 10:39 am
Oooh! 1090  
Late last night I ended up making contact with a second cousin once removed who has traced one branch of the family back to 1090. This is quite exciting even taking into account the fact that conventional wisdom in genealogy is that most people who claim their family go back to the conquest are indulging in a wish-fulfilment fantasy. I've skimmed the 250 (!) pages she has sent me and clearly the early history of the Benthall family (of Benthall Hall) comes from a National Trust publication so it seems fair to assume that most of that is as correct as its going to be. I suspect the tricky bit will be making the connection between the Benthalls and my branch of the Shuttleworth family (Mum, Sophie, this is Grandad Dennis' mother).
philmophlegmphilmophlegm on February 29th, 2008 03:34 pm (UTC)
Is it a myth then that the only two families in England capable of tracing lineage back to 1066 are the Windsors and the Astors?
louisedennislouisedennis on February 29th, 2008 03:41 pm (UTC)
They're certainly not the only people capable of tracing it back. They might be the only people capable of tracing it back correctly :-)

I'm fairly sure you only get back beyond a certain point by finding a handy noble in your tree and it's the "finding a handy noble" bit where a lot of the wish-fulfillment comes in. The Benthalls would appear to be my handy noble.

Conventional wisdom in genealogy further states that any one who has traced their lineage back to a character in the bible is clearly mad. The Windsors, incidentally, can do this (if you allow medieval genealogies as evidence).
philmophlegmphilmophlegm on February 29th, 2008 04:09 pm (UTC)
Cool. Which character in the bible? Is it Cain and Prince Philip is a vampire? (Sorry, been paying too much attention to Egyptian grocers...)
louisedennislouisedennis on February 29th, 2008 04:21 pm (UTC)
I believe there are family trees showing the descent of William the Conquerer from King David, and thus Abraham, and thus Adam and Eve and, ultimately, God. I think Jesus gets a look in too somewhere, but can't off hand remember where it fits.

I got this off Who do you think you are? the Matthew Pinsent episode
parrot_knightparrot_knight on February 29th, 2008 05:34 pm (UTC)
I think I've mentioned before that I've had a correspondence with a chap who thought he was the Merovingian claimant to the throne of France, citing a pedigree which appears in eighteenth-century genealogical books but which has been discredited on all manner of levels since.
philmophlegmphilmophlegm on February 29th, 2008 06:42 pm (UTC)
"the Merovingian claimant to the throne of France"

...and by extension descended from Jesus!
parrot_knightparrot_knight on March 1st, 2008 01:03 am (UTC)
Via, in this case, many of the knights of the Round Table; and onwards through the paladins of Charlemagne.
Philip Purser-Hallardinfinitarian on March 4th, 2008 12:51 pm (UTC)
Elizabeth II is also the great-to-the-fifteenth niece of Vlad Dracula, via her paternal grandmother Mary of Teck. These incestuous (and possibly vampiric) European royals...

Hello, incidentally.
louisedennislouisedennis on March 5th, 2008 10:14 am (UTC)